In this episode, Eric and Neil unpack Similarweb’s latest data showing ChatGPT’s traffic share drop from 87.1% to 74.1% as Gemini climbs to 12.9%. They explore how Google’s ecosystem fuels Gemini’s rise, why ChatGPT’s memory may improve user retention, and how expert-verified AI research enhances accuracy in complex accounting topics like NOLs. They also discuss global marketing nuance, creative risks in Japan, and why the best companies often grow slowly before compounding.
TIMESTAMPS
(00:00) ChatGPT vs Gemini traffic share
(02:53) ChatGPT retention and memory effect
(06:16) AI in accounting: NOLs and verification
(15:27) Global marketing nuance and Japan risks
(19:36) Why great companies grow slow before compounding
𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟
Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.
LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS
Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial
Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel
FREE RESOURCES
Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe
Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/
Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/
https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel
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Is This the Best Vibe Coding Design App?
Hosted by Neil and Eric, this episode dives into real-world CRO workflows, using Spiralyze-style A/B test insights to guide changes, and rapid AI prototyping with Alloy.app to keep designs on-brand without endless Figma comments. We cover when to DIY vs delegate, a homepage redesign checklist, why an RFP button signals enterprise readiness, brand-search traffic realities, smarter brand-name PPC, and how to boost podcast revenue with pre-rolls and mid-rolls—all while tracking Gen Z’s shift to social-first search.
Key takeaways:
• AI prototyping speeds up on-brand CRO changes
• Data from winning A/B tests beats opinions
• Social-first search is reshaping SEO
Chapters:
00:00 CRO workflow vs Figma
00:24 Spiralyze snapshots and winners
01:10 Identifying winning variations
01:39 Communicating and prototyping flow
02:01 Alloy.app natural-language edits
03:19 DIY speed vs delegation
03:45 Naming the tool: Alloy.app
04:36 Brand-safe quick homepage tweaks
05:26 Full homepage redesign plan
06:21 Fast team alignment wins
07:43 RFP button for enterprise
09:02 Brand search traffic insights
11:02 Podcast ad revenue basics
12:33 Sponsors and renewals
13:21 Single Grain brand queries
16:06 Gen Z social-first search
17:13 Smart brand-name PPC setup
17:46 Reddit reputation management
18:50 PPC churn and retention
19:44 Wrap-up and next steps
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How AI is Actually Affecting The Labor Market
In this episode, Neil and Eric unpack how AI is transforming the job market from the ground up. They dive into worker stories from Reddit, the rise of a diamond-shaped workforce, and how hybrid strategists—those who can plan and execute—will dominate. The discussion covers McKinsey’s internal AI adoption, enterprise productivity data, AGI timelines, and the dangers of “AI slop” flooding workplaces. You’ll learn how AI drives profit without mass layoffs, where it truly adds ROI in marketing, and how to adapt to stay ahead.
TIMESTAMPS
(00:00) AI is reshaping jobs
(02:30) The diamond-shaped workforce
(08:10) The AI bubble and funding trends
(12:00) McKinsey’s internal AI use
(18:30) The AI slop problem and leader playbook
𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟
Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.
LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS
Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial
Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel
FREE RESOURCES
Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe
Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/
Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/
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The Right Way to Speak at Conferences
In this episode, Eric and Neil reveal the right way to speak at conferences for lasting impact. They share actionable tips on crafting talks that resonate, connecting with attendees beyond the stage, and why building relationships matters more than just delivering a speech. Plus, they discuss how top SEO influencers approach community, and unpack their enterprise content strategies, showing that listening to customers drives real results.
TIMESTAMPS
(00:00) The right way to speak at conferences
(04:00) Why post-talk networking is crucial for impact
(08:00) Lessons from top SEO influencers and YouTube strategy
(14:00) Building a data-driven content team
(18:00) Navigating slow lead periods in agency life
𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟
Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.
LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS
Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial
Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel
FREE RESOURCES
Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe
Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/
Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/
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75,000 person agency is doomed
In this episode, Eric and Neil discuss why the penalty for "average" has never been more severe and how leveraging AI can dramatically increase efficiency and margins. They share firsthand hiring insights from agency giants, reveal lead and MQL trends, and explain why only 1% of companies truly benefit from AI. Plus, they debate the real impact of AI on agency growth, value-based pricing, and what it takes to close bigger B2B contracts. Tune in for hard data, actionable takeaways, and advice for adapting your skills in the changing landscape.
TIMESTAMPS
(00:00) Why “average” is getting penalized in the AI era
(08:40) Lead and MQL trends: what the downturn means
(18:15) Agency giants on adapting (or failing) with AI
(28:50) Does AI actually drive more revenue for agencies?
(41:30) Rethinking value-based pricing in B2B contracts
𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟
Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.
LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS
Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial
Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel
FREE RESOURCES
Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe
Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/
Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/
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Neil Patel and Eric Siu bring you daily ACTIONABLE digital marketing lessons that they've learned through years of being in the trenches. Whether you have a new website or you're an established business, you'll learn the latest SEO, content marketing, social media, email marketing, conversion optimization and general online marketing strategies that work today from people that actually practice marketing and operate business. Approaching 100M downloads with 2,500+ episodes, you're sure to find something that will help you grow faster. Also don't forget to subscribe to our Marketing School Youtube channel to get more marketing goodness.
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