Growthmates: Create and Grow Meaningful Products & Careers

In this episode of Growthmates, Kate Syuma speaks with Catt Small — Staff Designer at Dropbox, author of The Staff Designer, writer, teacher, and indie game developer.
Catt shares how she built a book, a course, and a creative practice while working full-time — and why small daily progress matters more than waiting for the perfect moment.
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👉 Partners who support Growthmates
• Mobbin — the largest UX & UI reference library for real product inspiration: https://mobbin.com/
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• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/growthmates-create-and-grow-meaningful-products-careers/id1678168180
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Welcome to Growthmates with Kate Syuma — Growth Advisor, ex-Miro. This season, The Creator’s Path, explores unconventional journeys of designers, founders, and builders redefining what it means to create — especially in the age of AI.
Growthmates is where top product and growth leaders share real strategies and insights to help you turn ideas into successful products. Learn from experts at Dropbox, Adobe, Amplitude, Canva, and more in deep dive interviews with Kate Syuma, ex-Miro Head of Growth Design and founder of Growthmates.
🔗 Find more insights on growthmates.club and follow on your favorite platforms for more episodes.
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Key highlights from this episode 👇
• We discuss how creative projects can grow alongside a full-time career without requiring a dramatic leap.
• We explore why small, consistent steps often lead to bigger outcomes than waiting for perfect conditions.
• We unpack how sharing ideas publicly can gradually open doors to new opportunities.
• We examine how perfectionism can slow creators down — and why “good enough” helps you move forward.
• We talk about the importance of transparency when balancing side projects with a full-time role.
• We explain why teaching or testing ideas first can be a powerful step before writing a book.
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X (Twitter): https://twitter.com/kate_syuma
Where to find Kate Syuma:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ekaterina-syuma/
Newsletter: https://www.growthmates.news/
Where to find Catt Small:
Personal website: https://cattsmall.com
LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/cattsmall
Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/catt.design
Book (The Staff Designer): https://rosenfeldmedia.com/books/the-staff-designer/
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What we covered:
(00:00) Introduction
(01:10) Catt's background in UX design and gaming
(04:22) How to find (and make) time for big creative projects
(07:00) Writing a book in small daily increments
(09:47) How Catt built her relationship with Rosenfeld Media
(12:23) Validating your book idea through teaching and community
(15:13) Overcoming fear of sharing unfinished work
(18:06) Applying a design thinking approach to creative projects
(19:19) Should you start with a course or a book?
(23:24) Navigating employer transparency around side projects
(27:44) The mission behind The Staff Designer
(33:19) The future of the staff designer role in an AI world
(42:21) What gives Catt energy to keep creating
(47:45) Dealing with creative blocks and burnout
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In this episode of Growthmates — The Creator’s Path, Kate Syuma speaks with Felix Haas — entrepreneur, designer, investor, and team member at Lovable.
Felix shares why entrepreneurship is not about owning a company — but about taking ownership of your life. They discuss designing your career intentionally, hiring founders (even as employees), why side projects matter, and how visualization can change your trajectory.
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👉 Partners who support Growthmates
• Mobbin — the largest UX & UI reference library for real product inspiration: https://mobbin.com/
• Obi by Cor — AI-powered onboarding voice assistant for modern product teams: https://bit.ly/3NaMzyF
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• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXzSwsz9ekOViWxynZb80Sw
• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/20kuLErtRnlKhe4HU8LGYH
• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/growthmates-create-and-grow-meaningful-products-careers/id1678168180
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Welcome to Growthmates with Kate Syuma — Growth Advisor, ex-Miro. This season, The Creator’s Path, explores unconventional journeys of designers, founders, and builders redefining what it means to create — especially in the age of AI.
Growthmates is where top product and growth leaders share real strategies and insights to help you turn ideas into successful products. Learn from experts at Dropbox, Adobe, Amplitude, Canva, and more in deep dive interviews with Kate Syuma, ex-Miro Head of Growth Design and founder of Growthmates.
🔗 Find more insights on growthmates.club and follow on your favorite platforms for more episodes.
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Key highlights from this episode 👇
• We discuss why distribution compounds faster and more powerfully than credentials in today’s creator economy.
• We explore the shift from selling your time to building leverage that works for you even when you are offline.
• We unpack how showing up consistently creates opportunities that you could never have predicted in advance.
• We examine why creators may become the strongest founders in the next wave of entrepreneurship.
• We talk about what it actually takes to play the long game without burning out or losing direction.
• We explain how building an audience becomes a form of strategic optionality for your future.
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Follow Growthmates updates on:
Growthmates website with “The Holistic Growth Playbook”: https://growthmates.club
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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/growthmates-podcast/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/growthmates/
X (Twitter): https://twitter.com/kate_syuma
Where to find Kate Syuma:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ekaterina-syuma/
Newsletter: https://www.growthmates.news/
Where to find Felix Haas:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/felixhhaas/
Personal page: https://fh.design/
X (Twitter): https://x.com/felixhhaas
Lovable: https://lovable.dev
Mastering Lovable Playbook: https://designplusai.com/p/mastering-lovable-playbook
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What we covered:
(00:00) Introduction and Stockholm as a tech hub
(03:15) Felix's unconventional career path with 18+ positions
(08:42) Starting a company at 18 without fear of failure
(13:25) What it means to have a founder mindset
(18:01) Being the CEO of your own life
(22:47) Side projects making you better at your main job
(27:04) Designing roles that don't exist yet
(31:03) The power of visualization and manifestation
(36:14) Making decisions over avoiding them
(40:18) Why startups should hire founders
(45:20) Enabling others to discover their creative potential
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In this episode of Growthmates — The Creator’s Path, Kate Syuma speaks with Michael Ridd — founder of Inflight, creator of Dive Club, and former creator of Figma Academy.
Michael shares how he intentionally shifted from selling his time to building leverage through distribution.
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👉 Partners who support Growthmates
• Mobbin — the largest UX & UI reference library for real product inspiration: https://mobbin.com/
• Obi by Cor — AI-powered onboarding voice assistant for modern product teams: https://bit.ly/3NaMzyF
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👉 Explore Growthmates & work with Kate Syuma:
• Explore collaboration with Growthmates.club: https://growthmates.club/
• User-centric PLG in the AI Era (join the waitlist and get 100$ off): https://maven.com/growthmates/user-centric-product-led-growth?promoCode=growthmates
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• Magic Patterns — The fastest way to prototype and test new features with AI.
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Welcome to Growthmates with Kate Syuma — Growth Advisor, ex-Miro. This season, The Creator’s Path, explores unconventional journeys of designers, founders, and builders redefining what it means to create — especially in the age of AI.
Growthmates is where top product and growth leaders share real strategies and insights to help you turn ideas into successful products. Learn from experts at Dropbox, Adobe, Amplitude, Canva, and more in deep dive interviews with Kate Syuma, ex-Miro Head of Growth Design and founder of Growthmates.
🔗 Find more insights on growthmates.club and follow on your favorite platforms for more episodes.
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Key highlights from this episode 👇
• Why distribution compounds more than credentials
• The shift from selling time to building leverage
• How showing up consistently creates unexpected opportunities
• Why creators may become the strongest founders
• What it really takes to play the long game
• How audience becomes strategic optionality
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Follow Growthmates updates on:
Growthmates website with “The Holistic Growth Playbook”: https://growthmates.club
Substack Newsletter (for instant inbox delivery):
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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/growthmates-podcast/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/growthmates/
X (Twitter): https://twitter.com/kate_syuma
Where to find Kate Syuma:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ekaterina-syuma/
Newsletter: https://www.growthmates.news/
Where to find Michael Ridd:
Dive Club: https://dive.club
Inflight: https://inflight.co
Twitter: https://twitter.com/ridd_design
LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/michaelriddering
Figma Academy: https://figma.academy
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What we covered:
(00:42) Introduction and how Kate and Michael's parallel journeys began
(03:10) Michael's founder mindset and family influence on entrepreneurship
(05:10) The shift from traditional career to founder mindset
(06:19) Building leverage through audience and Naval's influence
(12:36) Starting on Twitter vs LinkedIn today - platform strategy
(15:48) The "This Is Pointless" graph and playing long-term games
(18:27) From Figma Academy to Dive Club - pivoting from courses to podcast
(21:00) The importance of choosing life-giving work
(26:23) YouTube growth strategies and the cringe scale of thumbnails
(31:13) What Michael receives back from podcasting and his macro strategy
(35:00) How the podcast led to finding his co-founder Kyle
(36:00) Building Inflight - from marketplace to product
(42:03) Dreaming out loud and attracting like-minded people
(44:34) The future vision for in-person Dive Club events in New York
(47:37) The radical shift from 20 hours to zero-to-one startup intensity
(52:00) Blurring the lines between creators and founders
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In this episode of Growthmates — The Creator’s Path, Kate Syuma sits down with Ioana Teleanu for a deeply honest conversation about identity, burnout, and creating in a world shaped by AI.
Ioana shares what happened after years working at UiPath and Miro, building award-winning AI products, teaching AI design, and speaking on global stages — when her professional identity suddenly stopped making sense.
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👉 Partners who support Growthmates
• Mobbin — the largest UX & UI reference library for real product inspiration: https://mobbin.com/
• Obi by Cor — AI-powered onboarding voice assistant for modern product teams: https://bit.ly/3NaMzyF
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👉 Explore Growthmates & work with Kate Syuma:
• Explore collaboration with Growthmates.club: https://growthmates.club/
• User-centric PLG in the AI Era (join the waitlist and get 100$ off): https://maven.com/growthmates/user-centric-product-led-growth?promoCode=growthmates
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Welcome to Growthmates with Kate Syuma — Growth Advisor, ex-Miro. This season, The Creator’s Path, explores unconventional journeys of designers, founders, and builders redefining what it means to create — especially in the age of AI.
Growthmates is where top product and growth leaders share real strategies and insights to help you turn ideas into successful products. Learn from experts at Dropbox, Adobe, Amplitude, Canva, and more in deep dive interviews with Kate Syuma, ex-Miro Head of Growth Design and founder of Growthmates.
🔗 Find more insights on growthmates.club and follow on your favorite platforms for more episodes.
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Key highlights from this episode 👇
Losing the Label as a Starting Point: Why not knowing who you are anymore can open the door to a more honest path.
Identity Crisis in the AI Era: How creators and technologists are outgrowing traditional roles — and why uncertainty is becoming the new norm.
Optimizing for Humanity, Not Speed: Why productivity-first thinking fails — and when it’s time to question what we’re really building for.
From Design Answers to Artistic Questions: How art helps challenge sameness and reframe technology’s role in the world.
Connection Over Performance: Why reaching one person can matter more than metrics, virality, or visibility.
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Follow Growthmates updates on:
Growthmates website with “The Holistic Growth Playbook”: https://growthmates.club
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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/growthmates-podcast/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/growthmates/
X (Twitter): https://twitter.com/kate_syuma
Where to find Kate Syuma:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ekaterina-syuma/
Newsletter: https://www.growthmates.news/
Where to find Ioana Teleanu:
Instagram (UX Goodies): https://instagram.com/uxgoodies
Instagram (Personal): https://instagram.com/ioana.teleanu
Instagram (Art Account - Soft Machines): https://instagram.com/softmachines.art
LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/ioanateleanu
AI for Designers Course (Interaction Design Foundation):https://interaction-design.org
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What we covered:
(00:00) Introduction and the identity crisis in creative careers
(02:12) From UiPath to Miro: becoming a patent holder and AI educator
(08:00) Burnout as a catalyst for transformation and reinvention
(13:00) Why artists are making the most impact in technology
(18:00) Not optimizing for money and making more as a result
(26:00) Finding joy in Midjourney and AI-assisted art creation
(31:37) Seven years of building UX Goodies and staying authentic
(38:00) Dealing with criticism and building genuine connections online
(48:00) Balancing motherhood, business ownership, and creative work
(58:27) The future of creators and converging roles in tech
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In the first episode of the new Growthmates season — The Creator’s Path, Kate Syuma sits down with Nad Chishtie — Head of Design at Lovable, founding designer, and former game developer who has built products used by over 50 million people across Asia.
Nad shares his unconventional path — from dropping out of university during the early days of Gmail, to building games, products, and AI-powered tools that lower the barrier to creation. They discuss why rigid systems don’t work for curious builders, how being a generalist became an advantage, and why perfectionism holds creators back.
This conversation explores AI as a creative playground, not just a productivity tool — and what the future of digital creation looks like when anyone can build without permission.
Listen now on Apple, Spotify, and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGntQ4Bz9QM&t=264s
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👉 Partners who support Growthmates
• Mobbin — the largest UX & UI reference library for real product inspiration: https://mobbin.com/
• Obi by Cor — AI-powered onboarding voice assistant for modern product teams: https://bit.ly/3NaMzyF
🤝 Want to collaborate with Kate Syuma and Growthmates?
• Explore Growthmates Services here: https://growthmates.club/services
• User-centric PLG in AI era course — join waitlist for future cohorts and get 100$ off: https://maven.com/growthmates/user-centric-product-led-growth?promoCode=growthmates
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Welcome to Growthmates with Kate Syuma — Growth Advisor, ex-Miro. This season, The Creator’s Path, explores unconventional journeys of designers, founders, and builders redefining what it means to create — especially in the age of AI.
Growthmates is where top product and growth leaders share real strategies and insights to help you turn ideas into successful products. Learn from experts at Dropbox, Adobe, Amplitude, Canva, and more in deep dive interviews with Kate Syuma, ex-Miro Head of Growth Design and founder of Growthmates.
🔗 Find more insights on growthmates.club and follow on your favorite platforms for more episodes.
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Key highlights from this episode 👇
Dropping Out as a Design Decision: Why Nad left university when innovation outpaced the system — and what that taught him about learning.
Generalist Advantage: How being “B+ at many things” enables faster creation and better end-to-end ownership.
AI as a Creative Playground: Why treating AI like a collaborator, not a tool, unlocks better outcomes.
Building Lovable from Scratch — Three Times: How AI changes the cost of rebuilding and encourages bold experimentation.
Creating Without Limits: Nad’s vision of a future where anyone can build digital products tailored exactly to their needs.
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Follow Growthmates updates on:
Growthmates website with “The Holistic Growth Playbook”: https://growthmates.club
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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/growthmates-podcast/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/growthmates/
X (Twitter): https://twitter.com/kate_syuma
Where to find Kate Syuma:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ekaterina-syuma/
Newsletter: https://www.growthmates.news/
Where to find Nad Chishtie:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nadchishtie/
X (Twitter): https://x.com/nadonomy
Lovable: https://lovable.dev/
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What we covered:
(00:00) Introduction and Nad's creative beginnings with vinyl scanning
(03:00) The Gmail moment: dropping out of university at 18
(08:00) Breaking free from traditional expectations and limiting beliefs
(13:00) Career breakdown at 18 and moving to Asia
(17:00) The most pivotal decision: trusting your own instincts
(20:00) Silicon Valley dreams and cultural realizations
(26:00) The generalist mindset vs. specialist pigeonholing
(32:00) Redefining who can be a creator with AI
(37:00) Personal software for neurodivergent users
(45:00) Rebuilding Lovable three times from scratch
(49:00) Cutting overhead and protecting creative work
(56:00) The future of creation for the next generation
(59:30) Overcoming perfectionism and embracing optimism
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Thank you for listening! Subscribe to the show on growthmates.club and get the free playbook with frameworks and insights.
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Let’s keep growing together!


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