The Consulting Growth Podcast

What does it really take to build, sell, and successfully integrate a specialist consulting firm?
Carlos Keener has spent more than 25 years working in M&A, integration, and post-deal operating models. He founded Beyond the Deal (BTD), building a specialist consultancy focused on helping organisations capture value from acquisitions and other inorganic growth events, before the firm joined Oaklin Consulting. 
In this episode, Carlos explains how he moved from independent consulting to building a firm, why scaling a specialist consultancy requires conscious trade-offs, and why founders need to decide what they actually want from their business before pursuing growth.
Carlos also shares lessons from selling BTD, including how to identify the right buyer, articulate the specific value your firm brings, and think carefully about your own role after a transaction. He discusses the realities of post-deal integration, why cross-selling can be harder than expected, and why cultural compatibility alone is not enough. The conversation concludes with a practical perspective on AI: clients ultimately care about speed, quality, outcomes, and price, not which tools consultants use to deliver them.

In this episode you will learn
Why Carlos chose to build a specialist M&A consultancy rather than remain an independent consultant.
How founders can move from selling themselves to selling an organisational capability.
Why scaling a specialist consultancy requires deliberate choices about leverage, size, and client delivery.
How sellers can identify and communicate the specific value they bring to a potential buyer.
Why founders should decide what they want their post-sale role to look like before agreeing a deal.
Why culture, working practices, and commercial routines all matter when assessing a buyer.
How AI may change consulting delivery without changing what clients fundamentally value.
Chapters:
(00:00) Introduction
(01:00) From Independent Consultant to Firm Founder
(04:20) Building and Scaling Beyond the Deal
(09:20) Designing a Consultancy Around Your Goals
(12:10) What Consulting Owners Should Know Before Selling
(16:40) Finding the Right Buyer for Your Firm
(21:30) Life After the Deal: Integrating BTD into Oaklin
(23:40) Post-Deal Lessons and the Challenge of Cross-Selling
(26:10) How AI Is Changing Professional Services
(29:50) Why AI Tools Are Becoming Harder to Monetise

Connect with Carlos Keener:
Carlos Keener on LinkedIn:
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/carloskeener
Oaklin – M&A, Integration and Inorganic Growth:
 https://www.oaklin.com/m-a-integration-and-inorganic-growth
Beyond the Deal / BTD:
https://btd.consulting
Leading the Deal – Carlos Keener & Thras Moraitis:
https://books.google.ro/books/about/Leading_the_Deal.html?id=5C8guAEACAAJ&redir_esc=y 

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Prof. Joe O'Mahoney helps boutique consultancies scale and exit. 
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What happens to a professional services firm when AI makes the work faster—but clients expect to pay less?
Shawn Yeager, founder of Upshift, works with professional services firms on the commercial implications of AI: not simply which tools to adopt, but what firms should sell and how they should price once parts of traditional delivery become easier to automate. Drawing on three decades working with emerging technologies, Shawn argues that AI is exposing the weaknesses of the billable-hour model while increasing the importance of judgment, trust, relationships, and commercially differentiated expertise.
Joe and Shawn discuss how firms can map services into exposed, compressing, defensible, and emerging categories; why boutiques may have an advantage in experimentation; and why AI transformation needs to begin with business-model thinking rather than technology deployment. They also explore productization, subscription-based services, AI-enabled leverage, pricing and packaging, client validation before building new offerings, and what the rise of forward deployed engineers could mean for consulting firms.

In this episode you will learn
Why AI is putting pressure on the traditional billable-hour model.
How to classify services as exposed, compressing, defensible, or emerging.
Why judgment and trusted relationships remain difficult to commoditize.
How AI can enable new subscription and recurring-revenue offerings.
Why firms should validate client problems before building AI products.
How pricing, packaging, and positioning need to evolve alongside delivery.
Why AI transformation should start with commercial outcomes, not technology.

Chapters:
(00:00) Introduction
(00:16) Meet Shawn Yeager
(01:13) From Microsoft to AI
(03:07) AI Changes Consulting
(05:44) Faster Horse or Car
(07:59) Investor AI Due Diligence
(10:42) Mapping Service Exposure
(14:05) Subscription Advisory Future
(15:07) New Skills and Leadership
(17:23) Automation in Practice
(21:55) Case Study Pricing Reset
(27:01) Build vs Business Outcomes
(29:48) Spinouts and New P&L
(31:51) Forward Deployed Engineers
(35:53) Closing Thanks

Resources:
Follow Shawn on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shawnyeager 
Website: https://upshiftco.com/ 

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How can a boutique consultancy scale beyond founder-led growth without losing the culture that made it successful?
Rob Ferrone is a product data and PLM strategy advisor who founded and led Quick Release, a specialist engineering consultancy focused on product data management and product data flow. In this episode, he explains how the firm grew through referrals before developing a structured, consultative approach to business development and expanding to more than 200 people across the UK, US, Europe and Australia.
Rob discusses how technical consultants learned to contribute to sales by diagnosing customer issues, consequences and value rather than relying on conventional sales techniques. He also shares lessons from international expansion, including the importance of repeatable recruitment, cultural ambassadors, clear leadership responsibilities and greater employee autonomy. 
The conversation examines Quick Release’s acquisition by ALTEN, the value of preparing for a sale before a buyer appears, and the operational foundations that can reduce acquisition risk. Rob also introduces his latest startup work, which uses AI to improve employee engagement, insight gathering and communication during transformation programmes.

In This Episode You Will Learn:
How to move beyond referrals and founder-led selling
Why consultative sales methods work well for technical teams
How regular practice improves pitches and objection handling
Why recruitment and culture become critical during international growth
How clearer leadership responsibilities can reduce scaling friction
Chapters:
(00:00) Introduction
(01:37) Quick Release Origin Story
(02:55) From Referrals to Sales
(05:12) Scaling Beyond Founders
(07:03) Training Technical Sellers
(08:39) Practice and Objections
(12:03) Growing Pains at Scale
(15:07) Culture Across Countries
(16:22) Lessons and Mistakes
(20:27) Selling to Alton
(27:11) Final Advice

Resources:

Connect with Rob  on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-ferrone

Learn more about Quick Release:
https://quickrelease.co.uk/

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How can boutique consultancies scale, diversify, and prepare for exit without losing the culture that made them successful?
In this episode, Professor Joe O’Mahoney speaks with Martin Mehalchin, a former Lenati leader who helped build the Seattle-based customer strategy and experience design firm into a nationally recognised consultancy before its 2018 merger with PK. Martin reflects on the growth journey from a locally anchored boutique to a broader North American player, including the role of clear positioning in customer experience, the importance of client diversification, and the value of developing a more productised niche around loyalty.
The conversation explores how Lenati’s employee-first culture supported client retention, internal promotion, and low churn. Martin also discusses the firm’s PE-backed acquisition, why the fit with PK and Carlyle worked, and how a careful approach to integration helped preserve momentum. The episode closes with Martin’s view on AI in consulting, especially its impact on junior roles and why firms should build AI capability through experimentation rather than top-down mandates.

In this episode you will learn:
Why clear specialist positioning can drive both sales and talent attraction
How Lenati reduced dependence on Microsoft by building new verticals
How employee-first cultures can support client outcomes and firm value
What made the PK and Carlyle acquisition a positive experience
How boutique firms should approach AI through team-led experimentation
Chapters:
(00:00) Introduction
(07:22) Building an Employee-First Consulting Culture
(09:00) Scaling From Local to National
(13:00) Turning Local Case Studies Into National Growth
(19:10) Low Churn and Promoting From Within
(20:55) Choosing a PE-Backed Acquisition
(24:50) What Made the Private Equity Experience Work
(29:30) Lessons Learned From Growth and Exit
(33:50) Keeping the Fundamentals While Adopting AI
(35:15) Final Thoughts

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How do you scale a consulting business from £2M to £30M without losing culture, customer focus, or entrepreneurial energy?
In this episode, Joe O’Mahoney speaks with Stuart Packham, Group CEO of Alchemist Group, about scaling professional services businesses through a combination of organic growth, acquisitions, operational rigor, and people-first leadership. Stuart shares lessons from building a private equity-backed buy-and-build platform across leadership development, sales training, and experiential learning.
The conversation explores the realities of integrating acquired firms, managing founders during M&A transitions, and balancing infrastructure with entrepreneurial culture. Stuart also discusses how consulting firms should think about AI, both as a customer-facing capability and as an internal scalability lever, while avoiding “technology for technology’s sake.” The discussion also covers private equity partnerships, the importance of financial discipline and operational infrastructure, and why culture and sales enablement become critical as firms grow internationally.
Chapters:
(00:00) Introduction
(03:20) Building a Buy-and-Build Consulting Platform
(07:50) AI’s Impact on Consulting and Sales Training
(15:50) Scaling from £2M to £30M Revenue
(19:40) Infrastructure, Systems, and Operational Control
(26:00) What Private Equity Really Changes
(33:20) Culture, Retention, and Integration in M&A
(39:30) Common Sales Mistakes in Boutique Consultancies

Follow Stuart on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/stuartpackham 
Alchemist Group Website:
https://thisisalchemist.com 
RAIN Group Website:
https://www.rainsalestraining.com 

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