Dev Propulsion Labs

• Michael Grinich of WorkOS on building invisible infrastructure that powers every AI company

  In this episode of Dev Propulsion Labs, WorkOS founder Michael Grinich reveals why product always beats sales methodology in enterprise, how being the "plumbing" behind AI companies became his life's work, and why forcing yourself to talk to users is the only algorithm that burns out bad ideas. He shares why WorkOS built in stealth while talking to everyone, the moment he fired his entire marketing team, and how infrastructure companies survive by being better than all their customers combined.Episode notes: https://evilmartians.com/events/podcast-michael-grinich-workosFollow us on X: https://x.com/dpl_podRecorded at Chroma. Vector, full-text, regex, and metadata search. Develop locally and scale to petabytes in the cloud backed by object storage. Serverless search and retrieval that is fast, cheap, and reliable. https://www.trychroma.comEvil Martians is the go-to agency for early-stage developer tools startups: https://evilmartians.com/devtoolsLinks:WorkOS: https://workos.com/Michael Grinich on X: https://x.com/grinichEvil Martians on X: https://x.com/evilmartiansVictoria Melnikova on X: https://x.com/vmelnikova_en

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• Ivan Burazin, Daytona on AI computers, $300K ARR sacrifice and racing competitors on a moving train

  In this episode of Dev Propulsion Labs, Daytona CEO Ivan Burazin reveals why he walked away from $300K ARR to rebuild his company from scratch for the age of AI agents. He explains why agents will outnumber humans "to the power of ten," how Daytona creates composable computers that agents can spin up on demand, and what it means to race competitors while the entire market moves at breakneck speed. Ivan shares hard-won lessons from 16 years building cloud development environments, starting with Codeanywhere in 2009 - a decade before the market was ready.Episode notes: https://evilmartians.com/events/podcast-ivan-burazin-daytonaFollow us on X: https://x.com/dpl_podRecorded at Chroma. Vector, full-text, regex, and metadata search. Develop locally and scale to petabytes in the cloud backed by object storage. Serverless search and retrieval that is fast, cheap, and reliable. https://www.trychroma.comEvil Martians is the go-to agency for early-stage developer tools startups: https://evilmartians.com/devtoolsLinks:Daytona: https://www.daytona.io/Ivan Burazin on X: https://x.com/ivanburazinEvil Martians on X: https://x.com/evilmartiansVictoria Melnikova on X: https://x.com/vmelnikova_enEvil Martians for devtools: https://evilmartians.com/devtools

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• Paul Copplestone of Supabase on low ego teams, meme workshops, and building for the next generation

  In this episode of Dev Propulsion Labs, Supabase CEO Paul Copplestone reveals why hiring ex-founders with beaten-down egos builds better products, how internal meme workshops became part of their culture, and why vibe coding isn't a bubble that will burst. He shares the accidental origin of Launch Weeks, explains why Supabase is building for a 30-year timeline, and breaks down how they scaled to 5 million developers across 40 countries with barely any meetings.Episode notes: https://evilmartians.com/events/podcast-paul-copplestone-supabaseFollow us on X: https://x.com/dpl_podRecorded at Chroma. Vector, full-text, regex, and metadata search. Develop locally and scale to petabytes in the cloud backed by object storage. Serverless search and retrieval that is fast, cheap, and reliable. https://www.trychroma.com Evil Martians is the go-to agency for early-stage developer tools startups: https://evilmartians.com/devtoolsLinks:Supabase: https://supabase.comPaul Copplestone on X: https://x.com/kiwicoppleEvil Martians on X: https://x.com/evilmartiansVictoria Melnikova on X: https://x.com/vmelnikova_enEvil Martians for devtools: https://evilmartians.com/devtools

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• Sam Lambert of PlanetScale on surviving AWS outages and the real cost of extreme fault tolerance

  Sam Lambert of PlanetScale reveals how they stayed up during the AWS outage that took down millions of sites, helped grow Vitess usage 61,000% in four years, and why "tier zero" infrastructure demands extreme fault tolerance. He shares the journey from 750-user consultancy to "growing like crazy", why operational excellence beats feature velocity, and what it actually costs to build databases that never go down.Episode notes: https://evilmartians.com/events/podcast-sam-lambert-planetscaleFollow us on X: https://x.com/dpl_podRecorded at Chroma. Vector, full-text, regex, and metadata search. Develop locally and scale to petabytes in the cloud backed by object storage. Serverless search and retrieval that is fast, cheap, and reliable. https://www.trychroma.comEvil Martians is the go-to agency for early-stage developer tools startups: https://evilmartians.com/devtoolsLinks:PlanetScale: https://planetscale.com/Sam Lambert on X: https://x.com/isamlambertEvil Martians on X: https://x.com/evilmartiansVictoria Melnikova on X: https://x.com/vmelnikova_en

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• Zeno Rocha of Resend on cutting scope ruthlessly and shipping perfect products fast

  Resend founder Zeno Rocha reveals how he built an $18M Series A email API company by obsessing over brand, giving away React Email for free, and rejecting the "ship crap fast" mentality. He shares why seeking rejection accelerates sales, how zero-ego hiring beats talent, and why most dev tools fail by hiding behind GitHub stars instead of charging money.Episode notes: https://evilmartians.com/events/podcast-zeno-rocha-resendFollow us on X: https://x.com/dpl_podRecorded at Chroma. Vector, full-text, regex, and metadata search. Develop locally and scale to petabytes in the cloud backed by object storage. Serverless search and retrieval that is fast, cheap, and reliable. https://www.trychroma.comEvil Martians is the go-to agency for early-stage developer tools startups: https://evilmartians.com/devtoolsLinks:Resend: https://resend.com/Zeno Rocha on X: https://x.com/zenorochaEvil Martians on X: https://x.com/evilmartiansVictoria Melnikova on X: https://x.com/vmelnikova_en

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