Finding Mastery with Dr. Michael Gervais

What if the hardest part of money isn’t earning it, but knowing how to use it well?
Morgan Housel, bestselling author of The Psychology of Money, returns to Finding Mastery to explore the core idea behind his newest bestselling book, The Art of Spending Money. In this next chapter of his work, Morgan shifts the conversation away from accumulation and toward a deeper question: after the basics are covered, what role should money actually play in your life?
While most financial advice focuses on how to earn and invest, Morgan argues that the more consequential skill is learning how to spend in alignment with your values. The challenge isn’t simply getting rich. It’s defining “enough.”
In this conversation, Dr. Michael Gervais and Morgan unpack why money decisions are rarely logical and almost always emotional… shaped by identity, comparison, uncertainty, and the quiet pull of status. They explore the psychological difference between getting rich and staying rich, why uncertainty is a permanent feature of life, and how financial independence — not prestige — may be the real prize.
At the center of it all is a powerful reframe:
Money is a tool, not a scorecard.
In this episode, we explore:
Why money anxiety persists even when you’re “doing fine” on paper
How comparison and status influence spending decisions
What it means to use money in service of “a good life”
Why defining “enough” matters more than earning “more”
How to spend with more intention and fewer regrets

If you’re serious about building a life that feels aligned — not just impressive — this conversation offers a grounded, psychologically rigorous lens on how to think about money differently.
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Why are young people today reporting the highest levels of anxiety, depression, loneliness, and despair in modern history?
Dr. Angela Duckworth is a professor of psychology at the University of Pennsylvania and one of the world’s leading voices on grit, self-control, and the science of thriving. In this conversation with Dr. Michael Gervais, Angela reflects on how her thinking about grit has evolved, where it’s often misunderstood, and why perseverance without purpose can become harmful instead of helpful.
They explore what excellence really looks like behind the scenes. Not the highlight reel, but the long stretch of deliberate practice and repeated effort that most people never see. Angela also reframes passion as something that develops over time, and offers a practical lens for staying committed when enthusiasm fades and outcomes take longer than expected.
The conversation expands beyond performance into family life and parenting. They examine the cultural forces shaping today’s youth: the rise of social media, the erosion of in-person connection, the displacement of nature, and the unintended consequences of modern parenting. Angela shares what the data actually shows about the mental health crisis, and what we as parents, educators, and leaders can do about it.
In this episode, you’ll learn:
What grit really is, and what it isn’t
Why excellence comes from high-quality practice over time
How passion develops slowly, and why it can be treated like a skill
How to stay committed when motivation fades
Why environments shape kids more than pressure does
Why young people’s happiness has sharply declined since 2010
What the research says about anxiety, depression, and loneliness in Gen Z
How screens and social disconnection may be reshaping well-being
Practical ways parents can create environments where kids can truly thrive
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David Blanchflower Article: Blanchflower DG, Bryson A, Xu X (2025) “The declining mental health of the young and the global disappearance of the unhappiness hump shape in age.” https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0327858
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What if one of the biggest nutrition mistakes we’re making isn’t what we eat, but what we’re missing?
Dr. Tim Spector is one of the world’s leading researchers on the gut microbiome and how it shapes metabolism, immunity, and even mental wellbeing. In this conversation Tim challenges the conventional nutrition playbook, explaining why calories are a poor guide to health, why most diets backfire, and how ultra‑processed foods can disrupt hunger signals in ways that make “willpower” a losing game.

A central theme in this conversation is that many of us are focused on the wrong problem. Tim argues we’ve been sold a story that we need more protein, when what many people are actually missing is fiber, the essential fuel our gut microbes depend on. From there, the conversation becomes refreshingly actionable, focused on diversity over restriction, whole plants that support microbial health, and why fermented foods can punch far above their weight.

This episode is a grounded, science‑backed reframing of nutrition. It’s less about rules and more about understanding the system inside you, then feeding it well.
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Data on an NFL sideline is immediate. Decisions are filtered through fear, experience, and instinct.
In this episode of The Game Inside the Games, Dr. Michael Gervais and NFL legend Brandon Marshall explore the tension between analytics and intuition—what happens when information is instant, comprehensive, and impossible to ignore. As technology reshapes decision-making on the NFL sideline, the real question becomes: when the moment arrives, what do you actually trust?
Gervais draws on his conversation with Hillary Kerner, CMO of Insight, to examine the human side of AI adoption and why more data doesn’t automatically lead to better choices. Using fourth-down decision-making as a case study, the episode reveals how fear of blame, social pressure, and the need to justify decisions often outweigh what the numbers clearly show.
This is a grounded look at how people make decisions under scrutiny—and why learning when to trust the data and when to trust yourself may be one of the most important skills in high-pressure environments.

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Some moments don’t fade. They wait.
In this episode of The Game Inside the Games, Dr. Michael Gervais reconnects with Ricardo Lockette as returning to the Super Bowl setting brings old emotions back to the surface. The conversation moves beyond the game itself into grief, loss, and the weight of moments that never fully resolve.
Lockette speaks candidly about the Super Bowl heartbreak, the injury that ended his career, and why public grieving can be harder than physical pain. Drawing on their close relationship, Gervais helps him unpack what those experiences still mean—and how resilience is built in the aftermath, not the moment.
This is a raw, human conversation about survival, leadership, and learning how to live with moments that don’t come with clean endings.
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