RiskReversal Pod

Is the AI trade a bubble? Imran Khan — founder of Proem Asset Management, former Snap executive, and the banker behind the Alibaba and Mercado Libre IPOs — isn't convinced. Dan Nathan sits down with Imran to pressure-test the bear case, from Nvidia's below-market multiple to the cyclical-vs-secular debate in memory, and to dig into why a big chunk of SpaceX's $2.5T valuation may not be a space story at all.

Topics Covered

Why hyperscalers underperform during heavy CapEx cycles — and why that's historically the best time to buy

Distribution vs. technology: how Gemini won while arguably being the inferior model, and why Grok couldn't

Meta's setup — cheap on earnings, not cheap on free cash flow — and the Zuckerberg "big swing" risk

Nvidia at a $5T market cap: the $20B debt raise, buybacks, and the customers-are-competitors problem

Micron and high-bandwidth memory sold out into 2027, and the cyclical-vs-secular question that decides the stock

The "bottleneck trade" everyone's chasing — and why earnings durability is the thing to watch

Energy constraints, data center delays, and the long-term demand picture

Imran's contrarian case that AI won't create structural unemployment

SpaceX's valuation decoded: rocket launch, Starlink, and the xAI cloud ramp

What OpenAI and Anthropic coming to market could mean for the AI trade

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Before making any investment or trade, evaluate its suitability for your circumstances and consider consulting your own financial or investment advisor. The financial products discussed in Risk Reversal carry a high level of risk and may not be appropriate for many investors. If you have uncertainties, it's advisable to seek professional advice. Remember that trading involves a risk to your capital, so only invest money that you can afford to lose.

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Dan Nathan welcomes Current co-founders Stuart Sopp and CTO Trevor Marshall to discuss Current’s business momentum, the fintech landscape, and the evolving AI build-out. Sopp announces an $80 million Series E at a $1.5 billion valuation led by Spring Coast, noting Current’s profitability, deepened partnerships with Cross River and General Catalyst’s customer value fund, and over 70% growth for three consecutive years. Marshall describes Current’s compounding product strategy around combining banking and liquidity, and how disciplined infrastructure cost controls shape their AI approach, including customer-facing personalization and potential use of lower-cost or self-hosted models. The group debates token pricing deflation, open-source models, hyperscaler distribution advantages (especially Google/Vertex), SaaS displacement, and macro factors affecting consumers, concluding fintech winners are emerging and public-market interest may return via IPOs or M&A.

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Before making any investment or trade, evaluate its suitability for your circumstances and consider consulting your own financial or investment advisor. The financial products discussed in Risk Reversal carry a high level of risk and may not be appropriate for many investors. If you have uncertainties, it's advisable to seek professional advice. Remember that trading involves a risk to your capital, so only invest money that you can afford to lose.

Derivatives are not suitable for all investors and involve the risk of losing more than the amount originally deposited and any profit you might have made. This communication is not a recommendation or offer to buy, sell or retain any specific investment or service.

In New York, pizza is not just food - it’s part of the city’s DNA. And that story runs deep in Brooklyn where working class immigrant neighborhoods helped shape the pizza we know today. Grimaldi’s, sitting in the shadows of the Brooklyn Bridge, serves authentic, coal-fired brick oven pizza, sought out by tourists, locals and celebs like Ilir Sela, the founder and CEO of Slice. 

As an Albanian raised in Staten Island, pizza was Ilir’s destiny. In this episode, we’re sharing a pie with this founder who transformed mom & pop shops around the country and today enjoys the largest network of independent pizzerias in America. 

Timecodes 

00:00 “I Bought a Bentley With My First Profits”

00:32 Meet the Founder of Slice

03:20 The Albanian Connection to Pizza

05:30 Is Cheese a Topping?

06:23 Why Domino's Is a Great Business

09:30 The Problem Slice Was Built to Solve

14:00 Building a Business-in-a-Box for Pizzerias

19:28 The Moment He Knew Slice Would Work

20:47 From a Two-Bedroom Apartment to a Tech Company

22:30 The Secret to Entrepreneurial Success
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Before making any investment or trade, evaluate its suitability for your circumstances and consider consulting your own financial or investment advisor. The financial products discussed in Risk Reversal carry a high level of risk and may not be appropriate for many investors. If you have uncertainties, it's advisable to seek professional advice. Remember that trading involves a risk to your capital, so only invest money that you can afford to lose.

Derivatives are not suitable for all investors and involve the risk of losing more than the amount originally deposited and any profit you might have made. This communication is not a recommendation or offer to buy, sell or retain any specific investment or service.

Dan Nathan and Guy Adami break down a historic market week, headlined by SpaceX's blockbuster IPO and Kevin Warsh's first meeting as Fed Chair. Elon priced the deal himself at $135, and the stock popped to a ~$2.2 trillion valuation—instantly the 6th most valuable company in the world. The guys dig into whether the numbers actually add up, walking through Morningstar's $63 fair value, Jim Chanos's bearish note on xAI's financials, and what a 110x sales multiple means for anyone buying the pop. They also preview Warsh's "less is more" approach to Fed communication and what a quieter central bank means for volatility ahead.

Then Dan is joined by VC Ann Bordetsky, for an "Okay, Computer." segment on the private-market side of the story: the looming Anthropic and OpenAI IPOs, OpenAI's rumored token price war, the compute crunch constraining AI demand, and why the CFO may now be the most powerful seat at any AI company.

Articles Referenced

OpenAI Considers Drastic Price Cuts, Anticipating War for Users With Anthropic (WSJ)

Everyone hates frontier AI labs, says Palantir boss (The Register)

"VCs behaving badly" (Axios)

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With the year's most anticipated IPO set to price, Guy Adami and Liz Thomas break down what a $1.75 trillion debut means for the broader market — the tiny 5% float, Elon Musk setting his own price, the wave of retail demand, and why it's likely to break its IPO price right out of the gate. They also look ahead to Kevin Warsh's first meeting as Fed chair and what this moment signals for Anthropic, OpenAI, and the next wave of mega-cap listings.

After the break, Guy & Dan sit down with Apex Fintech Solutions CEO Bill Capuzzi on where retail money is actually rotating, the takeaways from Apex's latest Investor Pulse report, and the under-the-radar clearing and capital risks building behind the scenes as the IPO hits.

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The financial opinions expressed in Risk Reversal content are for information purposes only. The opinions expressed by the hosts and participants are not an attempt to influence specific trading behavior, investments, or strategies. Past performance does not necessarily predict future outcomes. No specific results or profits are assured when relying on Risk Reversal.

Before making any investment or trade, evaluate its suitability for your circumstances and consider consulting your own financial or investment advisor. The financial products discussed in Risk Reversal carry a high level of risk and may not be appropriate for many investors. If you have uncertainties, it's advisable to seek professional advice. Remember that trading involves a risk to your capital, so only invest money that you can afford to lose.

Derivatives are not suitable for all investors and involve the risk of losing more than the amount originally deposited and any profit you might have made. This communication is not a recommendation or offer to buy, sell or retain any specific investment or service.