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The actor and travel writer Andrew McCarthy used to be a member of one of pop culture’s most famous friend groups: The Brat Pack. He starred in movies like Pretty in Pink and St. Elmo’s Fire and palled around with actors like Rob Lowe and Emilio Estevez.
Four decades later, in middle age, he found himself nearly friendless and set out on a cross-country road trip to reunite with the buddies he missed the most. This week on DSM, he tells Anna about the awkward conversations and tender moments that led to his new book Who Needs Friends: An Unscientific Examination of Male Friendship Across America.
This episode was produced by Cameron Drews.
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With his approval rating dropping to its lowest point yet this term, why are politicians still giving in to Donald Trump? As Senator Bill Cassidy found out, Trump still has enough juice to sink a Republican in a primary.

Guest: Molly Jong Fast, host of the podcast Fast Politics.

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On her way to a doctor’s appointment in January, a Minneapolis woman was surrounded by ICE agents who smashed her car’s window, cut her seat belt and dragged her out, while she tried to explain that she was disabled. Now, she’s planning to sue.

Guest: Aliya Rahman, Minneapolis resident detained by ICE in January.

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On this episode: Lucy Lopez, Elizabeth Newcamp, and Zak Rosen debate if you should bribe your kid to read. They are joined by Katie Day Good, media educator, communication professor at Calvin University, and the author of Bring the World to the Child: Technologies of Global Citizenship in American Education. But perhaps most importantly…Katie has been paying her kids to read. She’ll explain why monetary motivation works and how reading print books can help create a tech-intentional home.
This week on the Plus Playground: Lucy, Elizabeth, and Zak recommend the books they’re loving right now—and the ones they’ll dig into this summer.
Podcast production by Cheyna Roth and Rosemary Belson.
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Under fire for what critics say is inadequate protection of its young user base, Roblox nevertheless remains incredibly popular. Are the company’s new ballyhooed protections up for the task of keeping kids safe? Or is that asking the wrong question entirely?

Guests:
Cecilia D'Anastasio, video game reporter for Bloomberg.
Mary Harris, host of the other What Next
Stella Harris, daughter of Mary.

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Podcast production by Evan Campbell, and Patrick Fort.
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