That Wellness Podcast with Natalie Deering: Internal Family Systems (IFS) with a Twist

• Self-Led Healing in Expanded States: IFS & Psychedelics with Heather Smith

  In this episode I sit down with Heather Smith—Certified IFS therapist and founder of The Moxie School®—to explore the profound intersection of Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy and psychedelic-assisted healing. Heather shares her deeply personal path into both IFS and psychedelics, sparked by a lifelong inquiry: How do people truly heal? Together, we dive into the ways psychedelic experiences can deepen parts work, the essential role of Self-energy in lasting transformation, and why healing doesn’t come from the medicine—but from within. _________________________ We Explore: Heather’s journey into IFS and expanded states of consciousness The deep synergy between IFS and psychedelics How MDMA can amplify Self-energy The power of witnessing parts in altered states Why preparation is non-negotiable before a medicine journey The consequences of skipping the prep and integration process The role of the IFS Self-led guide in enhancing psychedelic journeys What “integration” really means—and why it’s the completion, not the afterthought The myth that the medicine does the healing (hint: it’s your Self that does) Whether you’re a seasoned guide or curious about combining inner parts work with psychedelic tools, this episode is a must-listen. _______________________ About Heather Smith Heather Smith is a visionary in the field of psychedelic healing, uniquely bridging Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy with expanded states of consciousness. A Certified IFS therapist (Levels 1–3) and frequent Program Assistant, Heather is the founder of The Moxie School®, where she trains facilitators in IFS-informed psychedelic support. Through immersive retreats and training programs, Heather empowers others to deepen their self-leadership, refine their facilitation skills, and embody the healing work at the deepest level. ___________________________ Resources & Links 🌐 Visit Heather’s work: www.moxieschool.com ✨ New Offering: How To Journey – An IFS-Informed, Self-Guided Experience Prepare, navigate, and integrate expanded states with over 20 hours of content—guided meditations, journaling prompts, and IFS teachings. 💫 Just $197 USD → Click here to purchase _________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email [email protected] for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*

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• Transpersonal IFS: Where Consciousness and Self Collide with Chris Hancock

  What happens when Internal Family Systems meets the mystical? In this episode I’m joined once again by therapist, teacher, and spiritual guide Chris Hancock to explore Transpersonal Internal Family Systems (T-IFS)—a sacred weaving of parts work with direct connection to the Divine. Together, we explore how T-IFS opens portals to higher realms of healing, the many expressions of Divine love and light, and how spiritual beings—including Mother Mary and Isis—can participate in unburdenings and transformation. Chris also shares his process of spiritual awakening and the path that led him to co-create this multidimensional form of healing. I share my own powerful T-IFS session with Chris, including an emotional message received from Mother Mary that brought me to tears. This episode is a testament to what becomes possible when we listen deeply, surrender, and allow Love itself to lead the way. _______________________________ In this episode, we discuss: What is Transpersonal IFS and how it evolved The many expressions of the Divine and how they show up in healing How Chris integrates higher realms into unburdenings Stories from powerful T-IFS sessions, including guides, ancestors, and angelic presences Parts that block access to the Divine and how to gently be with them My personal experience with Mother Mary and Isis during a T-IFS session The emotional and sacred message Chris received from Mother Mary the day after our session. ______________________________ About Chris Hancock Chris Hancock, LCSW, ACMHP is a licensed therapist with over 26 years of experience and the heart behind Therapy Outside the Box, based in Nashville, TN. His journey through burnout, mystical awakening, and surrender to Divine guidance led him to develop a unique healing modality known as Transpersonal IFS (T-IFS)—a powerful blend of IFS, spiritual gnosis, and multidimensional light transmission. Chris works in direct relationship with Divine Feminine and Divine Masculine archetypes and is a devoted channel of Mother Mary, offering deeply sacred healing experiences that are grounded in love, unity, and soul remembrance.   Connect with Chris: Website: www.therapyoutsidethebox.com Instagram: @therapyoutsidethebox Phone: 615.430.2778 ______________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email [email protected] for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*

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• Opening the Inner World: Divine Inflow, Parts Work & Swedenborgian Wisdom with Chelsea Odhner, Robert Falconer & Jonathan Rose

  What if our inner parts weren’t just fragments of the psyche—but vessels designed to receive divine love? My guests today are Chelsea Odhner, Robert Falconer, and Jonathan S. Rose—co-authors of the new book Opening the Inner World: Spiritual Healing, Internal Family Systems, and Emanuel Swedenborg. Together, we explore the playful spirit that brought this project to life and the profound insights that emerged at the intersection of IFS therapy and Swedenborgian spirituality. We discuss Swedenborg’s life and legacy, the idea of spiritual awakening as universally accessible, and how our parts—when burdened—can block access to divine inflow. The authors share how Swedenborg’s theology aligns with the IFS model, especially around the belief that healing comes from within, through dialogue, compassion, and connection to something greater. This episode is a heartfelt, curious, and spiritually charged invitation to see your inner world not as a problem to fix—but as a sacred system ready to be witnessed, healed, and loved. __________________________ Topics We Explore: ✨ The joy and creativity behind writing Opening the Inner World 📖 Who was Emanuel Swedenborg, and why do his teachings still matter? 💫 Spiritual awakenings and how we all have access to the Divine 🚪 Why parts can block that access—and how to gently open the door 💞 The soul as a vessel for divine inflow, and parts as vessels too 🗣 Why dialoguing with parts is essential—meditation alone isn’t enough 🏡 “The internal household” and learning to relate to each part with reverence 🌐 Porosity of the mind and the role of collective consciousness 🧩 How Swedenborg’s teachings and IFS therapy beautifully complement one another ______________________ About the Guests: Chelsea Rose Odhner is a lifelong student of Swedenborg’s teachings, an IFS practitioner and coach, and the current Vice President of Publishing at the Swedenborg Foundation. Her work weaves theology, embodiment, and healing into a compassionate, grounded practice of spiritual development. 🔗 https://locusofhealing.com   Robert Falconer is a globally respected IFS educator and author of Many Minds, One Self and The Others Within Us. His work explores the porous nature of the psyche and the sacredness of all parts—especially those that carry burdens from beyond the self. 🔗 http://robertfalconer.us   Jonathan S. Rose, Ph.D., is a renowned Swedenborgian scholar and translator. As the Series Editor of the New Century Edition of Swedenborg’s works, he’s dedicated his life to making Swedenborg’s ideas accessible and actionable for modern spiritual seekers. 🔗 https://swedenborg.com __________________________ Get the Book: Opening the Inner World: Spiritual Healing, Internal Family Systems, and Emanuel Swedenborg 📖 On Amazon 📖 From Swedenborg Foundation Upcoming Retreat: Chelsea is honored to be facilitating an in-person retreat hosted by the Swedenborg Foundation this summer: "Inflow: A Retreat for Embodying Swedenborg’s Ideas Through Internal Family Systems" 📍 August 8–10, 2025 at Harmony Mountain House in Phillipsburg, NJ 🧘‍♀️ Learn More & Register _________________________ This Episode is Sponsored by: Heart of Caldera IFS & Wellness:  "Cultivating wholehearted connection with Self, each other, and the natural world." Website: ifswellness.com Retreat Information: ifswellness.com/ifs-retreats  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/heartofcalderaIFS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/heart_of_caldera_ifs/   ____________________________   Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email [email protected] for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*

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• Who's Awake? Befriending Insomnia with Internal Family Systems -- with Katie LaCelle

  What if your insomnia isn't a problem to fix, but a part of you that needs your attention? In this insightful and compassionate conversation, I’m joined by somatic IFS and leadership coach Katie LaCelle to explore the deep connection between sleeplessness and our inner system. Katie shares her personal journey with chronic insomnia and how Internal Family Systems (IFS) offered a radically different way of relating to wakefulness—one that invites curiosity, compassion, and presence. Together, we explore how insomnia can be understood through the lens of parts work, what happens when protector parts activate at night, and why asking “Who’s awake?” might be more helpful than trying to fall back asleep. Katie also offers grounded techniques and nervous system tools to support better sleep—not by overriding parts, but by listening to them. Whether you struggle with occasional restlessness or chronic insomnia, this episode offers powerful insights into how we can meet our sleepless parts with kindness—and finally begin to rest. _____________________________ We Explore: 🌙 Katie’s personal experience with insomnia and burnout 🧠 The “Just Ask” principle in IFS: Who’s awake? What do you need? 🔦 Why certain protector parts become active at night 🌀 A theory on nightmares and sleep as a consent violation for some parts ⚖️ Common polarizations around sleep (e.g., “I need to sleep” vs. “I need to stay alert”) 🧘 Techniques for grounding before sleep and during the day 🧩 How to be with insomnia parts instead of battling them 🌿 The power of observing and noticing what’s there—without trying to change it ___________________________ About Katie LaCelle: Katie LaCelle is a somatic IFS and leadership coach who helps people reconnect with their body’s wisdom and uncover the internal leaders they already carry within. She specializes in working with high achievers, people pleasers, and caretakers—especially those navigating burnout or struggling with sleep. Katie regularly assists with IFS Institute trainings and is currently pursuing her Somatic Experiencing Practitioner certification. Her work blends deep nervous system support with compassionate parts work to create lasting, embodied change. ______________________________ Learn More & Connect with Katie: 🧘 IFS for Insomnia Course: cressanallc.com/about-insomnia-course 📸 Instagram: @cressanallc 🌐 Website: www.cressanallc.com Tune in for a gentle, eye-opening conversation on what it really means to rest—and how befriending our sleepless parts might be the first step. _____________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email [email protected] for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*

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• MDMA, Partnership, and Parts Work: A Conversation with Steph and Craig

  What happens when a couple says “yes” to deep healing together—guided by MDMA-assisted psychotherapy and parts work? In this soulful and honest conversation, I’m joined by Steph and Craig, co-hosts of The Steph & Craig Show, to explore their transformative journeys with MDMA-assisted therapy through the lens of Internal Family Systems (IFS). Together, we talk about what it’s like to prepare for these powerful sessions, working with the parts that hold fear or doubt, and what can unfold when you surrender to the healing process. Steph and Craig open up about their unique experiences—both as individuals and as a couple. Craig describes a peaceful, heart-opening session, while Steph shares a more challenging journey that offered deep insight and emotional release. We also discuss the phenomenon of “redo” experiences—moments when the body and psyche reprocess past events in a new, healing way. Whether you're curious about MDMA therapy, IFS, or simply how couples can grow together through conscious exploration, this episode offers powerful takeaways about trust, safety, and self-discovery. ______________________ Topics We Discuss: - The preparation process for MDMA-assisted psychotherapy - Working with parts that feel fear, resistance, or uncertainty - Steph and Craig’s individual MDMA journeys—peaceful vs. intense - “Redo” experiences that can arise in altered states of healing - The role of integration and meaning-making after the session - How MDMA therapy deepened their connection as a couple - Why emotional safety is foundational for psychedelic healing - IFS as a guiding framework before, during, and after sessions ________________________ About Steph & Craig: Steph and Craig are the hosts of The Steph & Craig Show, a podcast that explores healing, emotional growth, spirituality, and the beautiful messiness of being human. Through honest conversations, personal stories, and soulful insights, they help listeners feel seen, supported, and inspired on their own inner journeys. ________________________ Connect with Steph & Craig: 🌐 Website: stephandcraig.co 📺 YouTube: @stephandcraig 📘 Facebook: Steph and Craig 📸 Instagram: @steph.and.craig 🎵 TikTok: @stephandcraig 📰 Substack: Steph & Craig on Substack   🎧 Tune in for an honest, intimate look at what happens when healing gets real—and you choose to walk the path together. ____________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email [email protected] for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*  

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