Art from the Outside

This episode we are thrilled to be joined by the artist Martine Gutierrez. Martine is a transdisciplinary artist whose work uses photography, video, and performance to examine how identity is constructed and portrayed. Her projects range from billboards and music videos to her celebrated magazine Indigenous Woman, where she takes on every role — artist, subject, and producer — to challenge pop-culture tropes around gender, beauty, and representation.
Her work has been shown internationally, including at the 58th Venice Biennale and in exhibitions at the Museum of Modern Art, the Whitney Museum of American Art, LACMA, Crystal Bridges, the Pérez Art Museum, and the Smithsonian American Art Museum. Her work is also held in major collections including MoMA, the Whitney, the Guggenheim, SFMOMA, LACMA, Crystal Bridges, the National Gallery of Art, and the Smithsonian American Art Museum. Martine will be in the 2026 Whitney Biennial.
Martine received her BFA from the Rhode Island School of Design and lives and works in New York.
Martine is represented by Fraenkel Gallery and Ryan Lee Gallery
https://fraenkelgallery.com/artists/martine-gutierrez https://ryanleegallery.com/artists/martine-gutierrez/
Some artists discussed in this episode:
Yoko Ono
Marina Abramović
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This episode, we are thrilled to be joined by the artist Camille Henrot.
Camille examines the intersections of anthropology, mythology, technology, and emotion, creating works that question how humans make sense of an increasingly complex world.
At the center of her practice is an interest in what it means to be both a private individual and a global subject.
She draws on a range of references including literature, psychoanalysis, and social media in order to probe these questions. 
In one of her most famous works, Grosse Fatigue from 2013, Camille explored the collection and structuring of information and knowledge. 
Created as part of the Smithsonian Artists Research Fellowship Program in Washington, DC, the 13-minute-long video is set on a computer desktop, where countless windows containing images, data, Web pages, and videos continually open, accumulate, and close. The work received the Silver Lion at the 55th Venice Biennale.
Camille has also maintained a creative approach to how she works with museums. For instance, in 2017 she took over the Palais de Tokyo in Paris with an exhibition called Days are Dogs.
And, most recently here in New York, Camille debuted a new body of bronze sculptures at Hauser and Wirth. 
Some artists and writers discussed in this episode:
Pierre Huyghe
Sigmar Polke
Marcel Proust
James Joyce
Marcel Duchamp

Camille is represented by Mennour and Hauser and Wirth.
https://mennour.com/artist/camille-henrot
https://www.hauserwirth.com/artists/35528-camille-henrot/

This episode, we are thrilled to be joined by the artist William Kentridge.
Born in 1955 in Johannesburg, South Africa - a city where he also now lives and works - William grew up under the pall of Apartheid. This experience deeply informs his practice, which frequently questions the historical record and examines the inequities and absurdities of our world.
Working across multiple media, he combines drawing, writing, film, performance, and other collaborative practices to create works of art that are grounded in history, yet maintain a space for contradiction and uncertainty.
In one of his now-signature techniques, William photographs his charcoal drawings and paper collages over time, recording scenes as they evolve. Working without a script or storyboard, he plots out each animated film, preserving every addition and erasure. 
This is visible, for instance, in the series Self Portrait as a Coffee Pot, which William launched on the online streaming service MUBI last year. In this nine-part series, he opens the doors to his Johannesburg studio to lay bare his creative process, reflecting on culture, history, and political memory as he does so.
William’s genre defying talents have also led him to create operas and theatrical productions since the 1990s. Of his many productions, we’ve been lucky to see a few, including his 2010 production for the Metropolitan Opera of Shostakovich’s The Nose, as well as his 2023 production in Paris of "Waiting for the Sibyl."
William’s work has been exhibited in museums around the world, including the MoMA in New York, the Albertina in Vienna, the Louvre in Paris, and the Royal Academy of Arts in London, among many others. He is also, of course, in the collections of major museums across the globe. 
Most recently, here in New York, William presented a solo exhibition at Hauser and Wirth titled, “A Natural History of the Studio.”
William is represented by Hauser and Wirth and Goodman Gallery
https://www.hauserwirth.com/artists/william-kentridge/
https://goodman-gallery.com/artists/william-kentridge
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Some artists discussed in this episode
Henri Matisse
Alberto Giacometti
Jackson Pollock
Jacques Lecoq

This episode, we are thrilled to be joined by the artist Frieda Toranzo Jaeger. Based in Mexico City, Frieda is known for her captivating works exploring technology, capitalism, and gender. Her art frequently delves into themes of digital interfaces, luxury cars, and the commodification of desire, challenging traditional notions of painting.

Frieda’s distinctive style incorporates elements of abstraction and figuration, using vibrant colors and fragmented compositions to create dynamic tension. Her practice is known for its engagement with a rich array of territories, including embroidery traditions, mural painting, and Western religious altars. Much of this helps to envision a future that embraces queer freedom, ecological communion with nature, and the creation of joyful and convivial spaces.

In 2022, her work was the subject of a solo survey exhibition at MoMA PS1, Queens. And in 2024, Frieda was the subject of a solo exhibition at Modern Art Oxford in the UK. That same year, she was included in the 60th International Art Exhibition, curated by Adriano Pedrosa. And, most recently, she had a solo presentation at Bortolami here in New York.
Some artists discussed in this episode:
Lucas Cranach the Elder and Lucas Cranach the Younger
ACT UP (AIDS Coalition to Unleash Power)
Jutta Koether
Lari Pittman
Caravaggio
Caspar David Friedrich

Frieda is represented by the following galleries Bortolami Gallery and Trautwein Herleth.
https://www.bortolamigallery.com/artists/frieda-toranzo-jaeger
https://trautweinherleth.de/artists/friede-torenzo-jaeger/

Born in Los Angeles in 1986, Sable Elyse Smith works across a variety of media, including photography, painting, and sculpture, to investigate the US prison-industrial complex and its role in and effects on society.
Her work has been featured at numerous prestigious institutions including the Museum of Modern Art, New Museum, Guggenheim Museum, and ICA Boston - among many others. In 2022, she participated in the Whitney Biennial and the 59th Venice Biennale. 
Smith is a recipient of several distinguished awards from Creative Capital, Skowhegan School of Painting and Sculpture, Louis Comfort Tiffany Foundation, and most recently - the 2026 Suzanne Deal Booth / FLAG Art Foundation Prize - just to name a few.
She is currently an Assistant Professor of Visual Art at Columbia University.
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