Eye On A.I.

Genpact surveyed 500 senior executives to understand why companies are investing in AI but not seeing the value, and what they found was both clarifying and uncomfortable. Sanjeev Vohra, Genpact's Chief Technology and Innovation Officer, joins Craig Smith to share the results: only 12% of companies qualify as genuine AI leaders, meaning they're deploying AI in production environments, generating measurable business outcomes, and have the governance systems in place to actually assess that value. The other 88% are somewhere between experimenting and stalled, and the most common culprit isn't the technology or the C-suite. It's what Vohra and his clients call the "frozen middle", the operationally stretched middle managers who are too busy to lead the transformation and too central to the business to be bypassed.
The conversation covers the full landscape of what separates leaders from the rest: why co-pilots are a stepping stone that most companies are mistaking for the destination; why 99% of enterprises have no real AI governance program even as agents begin to proliferate; how Genpact's own CEO writing code on a Friday afternoon became the most powerful AI adoption signal in the company; and why Vohra's sharpest piece of advice is also the simplest, progress over perfection, because the companies still waiting for a complete roadmap before they start have already fallen behind. His formula for what's coming: engineers who are 10 times more productive, business professionals who are 3 times more capable, and organizations that treat that as a baseline expectation, not a stretch goal.
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The Global AI Summit just happened in New Delhi, and the message from India was clear: this country is no longer just writing code for the rest of the world. It's becoming an architect of the global AI order. Ivana Bartoletti, Chief Privacy and AI Governance Officer at Wipro and Council of Europe advisor, joins Craig Smith to unpack what that shift actually means. Her frame is the sharpest line of the episode: Europe writes the rules, the US writes the checks, and India is writing the code, in 22 languages. But she's careful to add that the AI race isn't just a technical one. It's about institutional capacity, the ability to absorb AI capability and drive it into real applications that serve real people at scale.
The conversation ranges across the full landscape of AI's global moment: why companies that announced 100% AI replacement in customer service quietly had to rehire the humans they let go; why the popular narrative of "Europe regulates, America innovates" is a myth that doesn't survive contact with California's actual AI rules; and why India's strategic choice may prove to be the most durable positioning in a field where trust is becoming the scarcest resource. Bartoletti speaks from a genuinely rare vantage point: a European executive, sitting in Germany, working for an Indian company, advising the Council of Europe, watching the geopolitical AI order reorganize itself in real time.
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One company now has more AI agents deployed in its organization than it has human employees. Slack's CMO Ryan Gavin dropped that stat into a conversation with Craig Smith, and then immediately identified the secondary problem it creates: when your digital workforce outnumbers your human one, how do employees know which agent to call for which task? That orchestration problem, and the conversational interface that solves it, is what this episode is really about. Gavin describes Slack bot's transformation from a notification tool into what he calls the ChatGPT moment for the enterprise, an AI that doesn't just understand the internet, but understands your business, your team, your customers, and your company's entire conversational history, all the way back to day one.
The conversation covers the full arc of what this shift means in practice: a Salesforce executive walking into an unfamiliar meeting and being praised for their questions, because Slack bot had prepared them in minutes using the team's full history; a marketer who built his own data scientist agent over a weekend and is now completely unshackled from the bottleneck that was slowing him down; and Gavin's most honest admission, that he's been saying for years that AI won't replace jobs, but this is the first time he actually believes it, because the soul-crushing "work of work" is finally shrinking, and what's left is the kind of creative, high-energy output that people actually want to do. The inbox, he says, is a deathtrap in the AI era. The companies that figure out how to move beyond it will outperform their competitors by multiples.
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Zendesk went private two weeks before ChatGPT launched, and the moment it came out, it was obvious that customer service would never be the same again. Shashi Upadhyay, head of product, engineering, and AI at Zendesk, joins Craig Smith to explain what the company has built since: a self-improving AI system that doesn't just resolve tickets but learns from every failure, studies what the human did to fix it, and gets measurably better over time. He calls it the resolution learning loop, and for Zendesk's best customers, it's already resolving 70 to 90% of incoming tickets autonomously, up from the 10 to 20% that chatbots managed just a few years ago.
The conversation goes deep on the engineering decisions that actually matter: why hallucination is a feature, not a bug, and why the real challenge is knowing exactly when to switch from creative AI to deterministic code; why Zendesk acquired Forethought and what made their approach to going live in days rather than months so valuable; and why, despite all the momentum, Upadhyay estimates we are only about 5% through the adoption of AI in customer service. The bottleneck isn't the technology, it's the change management required to restructure how human and AI workforces operate together. His vision of the end state is striking: personal AI agents talking directly to enterprise AI agents, resolving 90% of issues instantly, while humans focus exclusively on the complex, high-value interactions that genuinely require them.
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AI agents can now connect to every tool your employees use. The problem is that connecting them and trusting them are two completely different things, and most enterprises have figured out the first without solving the second. Oren Michaels, co-founder and CEO of Barndoor AI, joins Craig Smith to explain why that gap is the defining challenge of the agentic enterprise era. His framework is simple and sharp: agents are like enthusiastic interns. They will absolutely do something when you ask them to. Whether it's what you intended is another matter, and when an agent can act across Salesforce, Slack, email, and calendar simultaneously, the blast radius of a misunderstood instruction is far larger than anything a human intern could cause.
The conversation covers the 100,000 agent problem - the reality that each agent handling a discrete task needs its own set of rules about what it's allowed to do, and that number scales to a size no human team can govern manually - and why traditional identity management systems were never built for the failure modes AI agents create. The new threat isn't bad actors getting in; it's authorized people using allowed tools with agents that still do the wrong thing. Barn Door's governance layer sits between the agent and the tools it can access, specifying exactly what each agent is permitted to do in each context, and Venn brings that same capability to individuals who want to understand what's possible before their organizations catch up. This is one of the most practically useful conversations available about what enterprise AI governance actually looks like.
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