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Professor Turi King, Director of the Milner Centre for Evolution at the University of Bath, is known for leading the genetic investigation identifying Richard III and advising on the Mary Jane Kelly case (the last victim of Jack the Ripper). She co-presents the BBC’s DNA Family Secrets with Stacey Dooley and is the author of a new book, The Secrets of Our DNA, which takes us through some fascinating true stories  to show how DNA has solved mysteries and shapes our world today.

In this episode, she talks to Dr Güneş Taylor about Richard III; how the fate of the Romanovs was discovered through genetic research; eugenics; the study of Hitler’s DNA; and how she used David Attenborough’s DNA to study the link between the Y chromosome and the surname. Together, they explore how genetics informs every aspect of our lives, why it affects us all, and what it can – and can’t tell us about who we are.

The Story of Our DNA by Professor Turi King is available online and in bookshops now.

Dr Güneş Taylor is Group Leader at the Centre For Reproductive Health at the University of Edinburgh
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This debate was part of the ‘Think Again’ series in which two leading thinkers present alternative answers to a difficult societal question. The book and series published by The Bodley Head. 

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What happens when life becomes unbearable — when suffering is unrelenting, dignity is stripped away, and the end is inevitable? Those who support legalising assisted dying argue that autonomy doesn’t stop at the threshold of death. For individuals facing terminal illness, the current law is not a protection but a cruelty, forcing them to either act while they still can or surrender all control over how their lives will end. With robust safeguards in place, supporters argue, a compassionate society should not force its most vulnerable members to suffer against their will but should instead legalise a right to die.

But skeptics urge us to look harder at what legalisation would truly mean in practice. Assisted dying is never simply a private act — it implicates families, healthcare professionals, and the values of society as a whole. In a healthcare system already under enormous strain, could the right to die quietly become the pressure to die? And rather than investing in the infrastructure of death, should we instead be transforming the way we care for the dying through properly funded palliative care? 

In May 2026 we produced a live debate marking the launch of Do We Have The Right To Die?, the second book in our partnered ‘Think Again’ book series published by Bodley Head. Former Supreme Court President Lady Hale and former Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams went head to head to debate this urgent and divisive question: should assisted dying be enshrined as a fundamental right, or does it place our most vulnerable citizens in profound danger?

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This debate was part of the ‘Think Again’ series in which two leading thinkers present alternative answers to a difficult societal question. The book and series published by The Bodley Head. 

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What happens when life becomes unbearable — when suffering is unrelenting, dignity is stripped away, and the end is inevitable? Those who support legalising assisted dying argue that autonomy doesn’t stop at the threshold of death. For individuals facing terminal illness, the current law is not a protection but a cruelty, forcing them to either act while they still can or surrender all control over how their lives will end. With robust safeguards in place, supporters argue, a compassionate society should not force its most vulnerable members to suffer against their will but should instead legalise a right to die.

But skeptics urge us to look harder at what legalisation would truly mean in practice. Assisted dying is never simply a private act — it implicates families, healthcare professionals, and the values of society as a whole. In a healthcare system already under enormous strain, could the right to die quietly become the pressure to die? And rather than investing in the infrastructure of death, should we instead be transforming the way we care for the dying through properly funded palliative care? 

In May 2026 we produced a live debate marking the launch of Do We Have The Right To Die?, the second book in our partnered ‘Think Again’ book series published by Bodley Head. Former Supreme Court President Lady Hale and former Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams went head to head to debate this urgent and divisive question: should assisted dying be enshrined as a fundamental right, or does it place our most vulnerable citizens in profound danger?

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Douglas Stuart is one of the most successful writers in Britain today. He is celebrated globally for his honest portrayals of human relationships and working-class life. In 2020 he won the Booker Prize for his debut novel Shuggie Bain, a searingly honest novel set in 1980s Glasgow about a boy named Shuggie trying to save his mother, Agnes, from alcoholism and poverty. 

His second novel Young Mungo, a story of the dangerous first love of two young men, was released in 2022 and became a number one Sunday Times Bestseller. 

In May 2026, Stuart joined us live in London for an evening on identity, resilience, and the themes of his new novel John of John. 

In John of John, Stuart returns to the themes of class, family, masculinity, and sexuality. It is the story of John-Calum Macleod, who returns to his childhood home on the island of Harris. Out of money and with little to show for his art school education, he sinks back into his old life, caught between the two poles of his childhood: his father John, a sheep farmer, weaver, and pillar of their local Presbyterian church, and his Glaswegian grandmother Ella, who has kept a faltering peace with her son-in-law for decades.

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Douglas Stuart is one of the most successful writers in Britain today. He is celebrated globally for his honest portrayals of human relationships and working-class life. In 2020 he won the Booker Prize for his debut novel Shuggie Bain, a searingly honest novel set in 1980s Glasgow about a boy named Shuggie trying to save his mother, Agnes, from alcoholism and poverty.

His second novel Young Mungo, a story of the dangerous first love of two young men, was released in 2022 and became a number one Sunday Times Bestseller.

In May 2026, Stuart joined us live in London for an evening on identity, resilience, and the themes of his new novel John of John.

In John of John, Stuart returns to the themes of class, family, masculinity, and sexuality. It is the story of John-Calum Macleod, who returns to his childhood home on the island of Harris. Out of money and with little to show for his art school education, he sinks back into his old life, caught between the two poles of his childhood: his father John, a sheep farmer, weaver, and pillar of their local Presbyterian church, and his Glaswegian grandmother Ella, who has kept a faltering peace with her son-in-law for decades.

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