Coffee & Flowers: A podcast about The National

As the band launch a new album and a new film simultaneously, Chris and Dave review and discuss this ambitious new project, chat to Bryce Dessner and Scott Devendorf about the division of labour on a project like this, and meet Eve Owen, a 19-year-old singer who features on the album.

The myriad stories that interweave throughout 'Boxer' and beyond all come together as we take a final look at the record as a whole.

We consider what it means to end the album in a garden, beneath holiday rainbow lights and with a nice icy drink in your hand.

Ada lets us all have her neck. "The touching of a person's neck is much more intimate than kissing them on the mouth, don't you think?" - Matt Berninger

Boxer's young professional takes a look in the mirror and asks us: "What is it all worth?"