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Lees are more than sediment at the bottom of a tank. Recorded at CiderCon 2026 in Providence, Rhode Island, cidermaker and fermentation consultant Ryan Monkman explores how cidermakers can put lees to work throughout fermentation, élevage, and bottling.
Ryan digs into fine and gross lees, cracking lees, bâtonnage, autolysis, oxygen management, fault correction, bottle conditioning, and practical ways to decide which lees to keep and which to let go.
Timestamps
00:00 Cider Is Sensory
02:25 News From Ciderville
04:29 Back To CiderCon
05:29 Fine, Gross And Cracked Lees
07:58 Passive To Active Uses
09:29 Harvesting And Storing Lees
13:16 Cracking Lees
18:53 Why Crack Fresh Lees
21:46 Using Lees In Fermentation
26:15 Bâtonnage And Élevage
28:30 Using Lees To Correct Faults
31:10 Bottling, Canning And Kegging
35:22 Dosing Lees For Ancestral Cider
36:41 Traditional Method And Sur Lie
38:07 What To Watch For With Lees
39:55 Bâtonnage Timing And Technique
41:55 Bâtonnage And Oxygen
43:25 Cracked Lees And Autolysis
44:26 Building Three Cider Styles
47:03 Élevage Strategies
48:17 Bottling The Three Ciders
49:35 Lees, Yeast And Terroir
50:54 Ryan Monkman Wrap Up

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What happens when a cidermaker decides to do less and give cider more time?
Spencer Morris of Sowams Cider Works in Warren, Rhode Island, makes cider with more than 70 apple varieties, old mechanical rack-and-cloth presses, glass demijohns and a remarkably hands-off approach.
Explore still cider, single-varietal apples, long aging on the lees, native fermentation, and why some Sowams ciders aren't released until they are three or four years old.
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00:25 Meet the Guest
01:59 Single Varietal Cider
05:25 News from Ciderville
08:24 Fall Cider Festivals
10:29 Arriving in Rhode Island
12:55 Inside Sowams Cider Works
14:38 Spencer's Cider Story
18:38 Orchard and Rootstocks
22:37 Harvest Timing
24:55 Fermenting in Demijohns
31:59 No Sulfites, No Filtration
35:15 Aging Cider and Favorite Apples
37:07 Storing Apples Before Pressing
37:49 Concentrating the Fruit
38:30 Culling Apples and Sediment
40:53 Hands-Off Fermentation
42:07 Customers and the American Palate
46:15 Rhode Island Heritage Apples
48:53 Tasting the Orchard Blend
51:44 Serving Cider and Batch Numbers
55:03 Blending Apples at the Press
58:04 Tasting Rhode Island Greening
01:01:13 Weather and Vintage Variation
01:02:17 Visit Sowams and Final Thoughts





 



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Cider Chat MC Ria Windcaller reads her August eCiderNews editorial, Plant the Damn Apple Tree, reflecting on entrepreneurship, uncertainty, abundance, and what an apple tree might teach us about the time in between.
FROM THE EDITOR'S DESK: SUMMER 2026 NEWS CYCLE REFLECTIONS
Cideries close. People in our community are passing. The weather is never dull.
And somewhere in all of that is a question:
Knowing how uncertain the outcome is, would you choose otherwise?
READ THE ORIGINAL eCIDERNEWS EDITORIAL
Plant the Damn Apple Tree
https://ciderchat.com/plant-the-damn-apple-tree/
EPISODE 512 TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Editorial Welcome
01:08 Maybe and the News
02:16 Why We Keep Trying
02:43 Cidery Closures Context
03:56 My Entrepreneur Ledger
05:45 Choosing Abundance
07:01 Plant the Apple Tree
07:52 Time and My Mom
08:48 Deal and Sign Off
09:50 Ciderville Outro Chant
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Hungary may not have a centuries-old cider tradition like England or France, but that is exactly what makes its modern cider movement so exciting.
In this episode, Cider MC Ria Windcaller travels to Budapest to meet András Kovács and Marcell Lukatsi, founders of Bright Cider, who are helping shape what Hungarian cider can become. From traditional method sparkling cider and heirloom apple varieties to the newly formed Hungarian Cider Association and the country's first-ever Cider Salon, discover how a new generation of makers is defining a distinctly Hungarian cider identity.
Along the way, you'll hear how two friends turned a shared love of cider discovered on ski trips into one of Hungary's most innovative cideries, why forgotten local apple varieties matter, and how cider can open the door to unexpected discoveries in art, history, and culture.
Timestamps
00:00 Hungary Cider Surprise
01:14 Show Intro and Guests
02:40 Ciderville News Roundup
04:48 French Cider Tour Preview
06:48 Tea Room Interview Setup
10:27 Bright Cider Origin Story
12:14 Naming Bright Cider
13:52 Founders' Backgrounds
19:29 Pandemic Launch and Team
20:31 Traditional Method Focus
22:07 Hungary's Heirloom Apples
26:17 Rosie and Product Lineup
29:24 Vranja Quince Blend
29:58 Cider Lineup Overview
30:43 Ice Cider Cryo Method
31:30 Yeast Choices Explained
32:47 Stainless Steel and Eco Focus
35:50 Events and Finding Bright Cider
37:45 Hungarian Cider Association
39:10 Defining Cider in EU Law
43:03 Apples, Pears and Orchards
47:13 Future Plans in Etyek
50:48 Travel Reflections and Signoff
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Most cider makers dream of expanding their barrel program. Jason Lummen did the opposite.
In Episode 510, Ria Windcaller visits The People's Cider Company in Grand Rapids, Michigan, where Jason explains why he shifted from barrel-aged ciders to dry, sessionable ciders that keep people coming back for another round. Along the way, they discuss local apples, pub culture, changing American tastes, and what it means to build a cidery around community rather than complexity.
Time Stamps


  00:00 Craft Palate Lightens

  01:04 Meet Jason Lummen

  02:06 Welcome to Cider Chat

  04:02 GLINTCAP Reunion Story

  06:43 Ciderville News Roundup

  10:09 Totally Cider Tours

  11:27 Sessionable Success Shift

  12:21 Cheers with Pommeau

  12:45 Fruit Ridge Apple Sourcing

  15:13 Old Orchards vs. Trellis Systems

  18:29 Cider Maker Origin Story

  23:44 The Pressing "Aha!" Moment

  25:49 Tiny Pub, Big Vibe

  30:10 House Yeast and Wild Ferments

  31:04 The Flavored Cider Debate

  32:14 A No-Sulfites Philosophy

  33:19 The Shift to Sessionable Cider

  33:38 Brick Street Nightclub

  35:32 Rethinking the Barrel Program

  36:57 Why American Palates Are Changing

  39:02 A Toast with Pommeau

  39:45 The People's Cider Company Origins

  42:24 The Raised Fist Logo

  46:16 Winning Over New Cider Drinkers

  50:44 COVID and the Patio Lifeline

  52:28 Life as a Publican

  53:28 The Best Part of the Job

  56:37 Contact Info for The People's Cider Company

  57:23 Closing Reflections


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